The truth behind Xehanort's birth

[Blaze of Glory]

This is a theory I pitched on another forum

So tell me what you guy think of it

The apprentice from what I heard has no face and is pretty much a nobody or the living embodiment of an Unbirth.

I believe that Master X gives him life by giving him Terra's form and inserting his own consciousness into his new being as well. He also drains Aqua and Ven. However, Ven managed to save himself by fusing with Sora and erasing his existence himself. Thanks to Kingdom Hearts Master X also gives him a heart. The result of this we see nothing but the lingering sentiments of Terra and I believe the same is of Aqua who is in that throne room in KHII Final Mix.

Also as for Ven seriously, I can't say he's anything else other than Sora's brother. You guys say relations is insignificant but come on we have Kairi's grandmother's telling us the origins of the scattered worlds for Christ's sake. No one can brush that off. I mean I doubt we'll hear about father's but yes I believe we'll hear about siblings. Another thing I believe Ven is an Unbirth. Possibly, he's someone who wasn't born; that saying "the brother I never had". Someone who didn't make it into the world.

In the Birth by sleep video I also think that Kingdom Hearts Master X summons is possibly the first appearance of Kingdom Hearts and him cradling all the power he gathered from his apprentices exploits.

my theory on Master Xehanort's apprentice being Xehanort is possibly that he's a thief since it's impossible to pin the blame on Master X since in the trailers (aside from Birth by sleep) he's depicted as being kind wise, and benevolent teacher to the 3 keyblade knights. Shit I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Master Xehanort's apprentice or the Dark Soldier is using him and is the brains behind all the events of Birth by sleep game. It makes plenty of sense. In the trailers Master Xehanort said that his apprentice the dark soldier has become a disappointment since he's twisting his teachings for his own gain. He's the only one doing anything evil in the trailers.

In all of the other trailers he told Terra to correct his mistake looking sincerely regretful about his actions and what's become of his apprentice. His look in these does not make him out to be evil. I mean yes his evil eyes gives him that stereotypical "bad guy" look but his words prove otherwise. KH2 FM trailer is the only trailer he's looking evil.


However, everyone we can't tell if those are his motives or his apprentice's motives


If that is what he really wants then that contradicts what he said earlier to Terra: "Use your power to defeat the darkness and correct my mistake!" Until there is other evidence supporting your theory of him being a villain he is considered nothing more than a pawn in an even bigger scheme.

[Hatokblade]

The problem with these theories is that they make to much sense. How often has Square given us something not draped in symbolism, and takes hearing more than once to understand? For all we know Unbirths could be what happens when a person was meant to become a heartless, but didn't. There's no way to know because Square seems to hate making sense. Now stop, I know all thjeir stuff makes sense, but did yopu honestly completely understand everything that happened in KH2 as it happened? What about that wave that falls in Riku in the intro of KH1? I just can't see us getting something like 'Siblings' because it's to easy. Square needs convolution

[StarKiller]

Originally Posted by Blaze of Glory

The apprentice from what I heard has no face and is pretty much a nobody or the living embodiment of an Unbirth.

Who says he is an unbirth, sorta wish people would stop till we find out what those really are,

Also, who says he has no face? Many claim that his helmet gets knocked off in one of the trailers (trying to find this). So um no, you basically heard a guess, nothing is for sure.

believe that Master X gives him life by giving him Terra's form and inserting his own consciousness into his new being as well.

Makes no sense at all actually,
How would Terra's consciousness be put in someones body, it isn't like a physical body part.
You may be going in a good direction, but his conscious sounds lame as all hell :/

So umm basically this part is kinda fail :/

He also drains Aqua and Ven. However, Ven managed to save himself by fusing with Sora and erasing his existence himself.

Good, but not detailed, how did he exactly fuse with a 4 year old kid?

Thanks to Kingdom Hearts Master X also gives him a heart.

Not really,
Im sure his Apprentice is a PERSON, people usually contain hearts, or you wouldn't be a person, so why would he need KH, to give a person 2 hearts? umm No

I mean

The result of this we see nothing but the lingering sentiments of Terra and I believe the same is of Aqua who is in that throne room in KHII Final Mix.

Or not, that battle has nothing to do with the STORY OF KINGDOM HEARTS,
well thats, that

Also as for Ven seriously, I can't say he's anything else other than Sora's brother.

Ummm FAMILY ISN'T IMPORTANT IN KH OR IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED IN THE FIRST GAME.
WEN IN ANY OF THE KH GAMES HAVE WE SEEN A FAMILY TIE THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT (kairi's grandma wasn't important just so you know)

You guys say relations is insignificant but come on we have Kairi's grandmother's telling us the origins of the scattered worlds for Christ's sake.

Wasn't really important, it was just a memory, that was in kairis heart, that sparked because it was her most important memory

No one can brush that off. I mean I doubt we'll hear about father's but yes I believe we'll hear about siblings.

Or not,

Another thing I believe Ven is an Unbirth. Possibly, he's someone who wasn't born; that saying "the brother I never had". Someone who didn't make it into the world.

Obviously he was born into the world, seeing how he is weilding a keyblade and we play as him :/, this is getting stupid

In the Birth by sleep video I also think that Kingdom Hearts Master X summons is possibly the first appearance of Kingdom Hearts and him cradling all the power he gathered from his apprentices exploits.

this i can go with, except the power of his apprentices, who says he has more than one, just guessing huh?
and if this were true, then that would be stupid, because it coulda been easily opened in KH1 and 2

my theory on Master Xehanort's apprentice being Xehanort is possibly that he's a thief since it's impossible to pin the blame on Master X since in the trailers (aside from Birth by sleep) he's depicted as being kind wise, and benevolent teacher to the 3 keyblade knights.

wtf? who said MX was their teacher again? WAIT NO ONE, basically ur guessing with out having a bit of proof

Shit I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Master Xehanort's apprentice or the Dark Soldier is using him and is the brains behind all the events of Birth by sleep game.

that would be a good plot twister actually

It makes plenty of sense. In the trailers Master Xehanort said that his apprentice the dark soldier has become a disappointment since he's twisting his teachings for his own gain. He's the only one doing anything evil in the trailers.

Or not, he said nothing about that, He said that this experiment was a failure basically, if you wanna sum it up correctly

In all of the other trailers he told Terra to correct his mistake looking sincerely regretful about his actions and what's become of his apprentice. His look in these does not make him out to be evil. I mean yes his evil eyes gives him that stereotypical "bad guy" look but his words prove otherwise. KH2 FM trailer is the only trailer he's looking evil.

Okay if you haven't noticed ill point out the obvious.
In EVERY KH game(besides CoM, and he was still in Riku's Story) who has been the opposing force?

BINGO, the answer is Xehanort!

KH1) Who was the opposing force, Xehanort's Heartless

KH2) Who was the opposing force, Xehanort's Heartless

BBS) who is the opposing force, Oh shit Master XEHANORT :/

Kh3) Who most likley will be, Xehanort as a whole being again, (proof: When someones heartless is destroyed before someones nobody, then that person becomes a whole being again, Xehanort's Heartless(was destroyed in KH1, his nobody in Kh2, He is now a whole person, and probably back to trying to kill the worlds or something)

However, everyone we can't tell if those are his motives or his apprentice's motives


If that is what he really wants then that contradicts what he said earlier to Terra: "Use your power to defeat the darkness and correct my mistake!" Until there is other evidence supporting your theory of him being a villain he is considered nothing more than a pawn in an even bigger scheme.

just gave you some evidence

[Desert Warrior]

Originally Posted by Hatokblade

Square seems to hate making sense.

They don't have to hate it. It's fun not making sense.

Originally Posted by x3pic

Good, but not detailed, how did he exactly fuse with a 4 year old kid?

If it's true, then they'd explain it in the game.

Ummm FAMILY ISN'T IMPORTANT IN KH OR IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED IN THE FIRST GAME.

A family relationship between Ven and Sora doesn't have to be important. Let's say they're brothers. So what? How is it important that they're related?

Kh3) Who most likley will be, Xehanort as a whole being again, (proof: When someones heartless is destroyed before someones nobody, then that person becomes a whole being again, Xehanort's Heartless(was destroyed in KH1, his nobody in Kh2, He is now a whole person, and probably back to trying to kill the worlds or something)

It'd probably using the darkness to reach KH and take over in order to rule all of exsistance or something.

And for this next part, I'm gonna mess with your words a little bit (Because it's 1 in the morning here and I'm bored). You just said Xehanort's heartless was destroyed. But before you said it wasn't a heartless, and it was a free floating heart (No need to comment on this part. I'm kinda messing with you).

[StarKiller]

Originally Posted by Desert Warrior

If it's true, then they'd explain it in the game.

yea i know they would and i like the idea, but i hate the word "fuse", and it kinda goes against his theory a bit, if they fuse how is he Sora's brother as well?

A family relationship between Ven and Sora doesn't have to be important. Let's say they're brothers. So what? How is it important that they're related?

Im sure it would be important actually, Just because it ties with Roxas Looking like Ven, even if it is true, its way to simple, first off, and second off just because they are related, still does not explain why Roxas looks like Ven. Its much deeper than that, way more deeper than "Oh Ven is Sora's brother, and thats why Roxas looks like him the end". Really? No

It'd probably using the darkness to reach KH and take over in order to rule all of exsistance or something.

something like that

And for this next part, I'm gonna mess with your words a little bit (Because it's 1 in the morning here and I'm bored). You just said Xehanort's heartless was destroyed. But before you said it wasn't a heartless, and it was a free floating heart (No need to comment on this part. I'm kinda messing with you).

Woot hurray for word messing xD. Im going to address it anyway. Well technically he was not a heartless when we fought him. Actually he wasn't really a heartless at all, BUT to be exact, when Xehanort lost his heart to darkness, A nobody was made *Xemnas* and another being as well *Kh1 Ansem*. Kh1 ansem still was considered his heartless even though he wasn't in heartless form, Just a heart with legs and things .

Also to further support this, Sora also became just a free roaming heart, It states he was the only person to do this besides Xehanort.(i hope you guys notice how important Xehanort really is). Anyway, before Sora become a free roaming heart, He was just a shadow, so he was in heartless form. This gets me to believe, that before Xehanort's Heartless *i call him that because he has no name* became a free roaming heart that he was also in heartless form for a few, until a transformation was made to him being just a heart. This is just a theory though, but it makes sense

[Answer Man]

is that why at the beginning of the trailer you see a cloaked figure? but i dont like the theory myself, has too many holes, why would MX need treaa to for his a apprentice?