Xehanort = Unverse Theory

Hi everyone, this is my first unverse theory on this site. ^_^

Well in the recent interview Nomura confirmed the unbirths were actually called the unverse. He also said unverse are those not well versed in life/existence in other words the unverse do not know anything regarding life.

Nomura later went on to say that unverse are born and grow from negative emotions.

Then it hit me like a rock! Young Xehanort is Terra's unverse! It was so obvious.

Just so some wont confuse Xehanort with MX, this is the Xehanort I am talking about:






Let's start of with Terra himself. Terra and MX have a bad relationship, that is clear. In KH2FM+ Terra in the optional battle said this:

Terra: All I have left is my Hatred toward Xehanort

So Terra only has hatred toward Xehanort, huh? If that is all he has left then would'nt that make him the same as an unverse?

If unverse know nothing except for negative emtoion and Terra only knows negative emotion then they would be the same or atleast similar, right?

Okay so here is what I think happens. Terra's hatred for Master Xehanort is so strong that he becomes an unverse. Except Terra keeps his human form so he is a human shaped unverse. The negative emotions effect his appearance causing him to have white hair, tan skin, and brown eyes.

Now what evidence do I have that Young Xehanort is Terra transformed into an unverse? Alot actually.

Now remember that when Ansem the wise found young Xehanort/Terra all young Xehanort could remember is the name "Xehanort". "Xehanort" is the name of the man that cause all of Terra's hatred. So if young Xehanort is Terra's unverse then it would make sense that the only thing he remembers is the name of the man he hates, Master Xehanort.

My next peice of evidence is the many things Xemnas said in KH2 and remember that Xemnas like all nobodies remember what it was like to have a heart:

Xemnas to Ansem the wise:

Xemnas: I understand though. Unlike me you have a heart and your consumed by the jealousy you feel toward the student you surpassed you.

Ansem: Xehanort, foolish apprentince of a foolish man

Notice how Xemnas said he could understand Ansem being consumed by jealousy. Jealousy is a negative emotion. Xemnas did'nt understand anyother reason as to why Ansem would try to destroy him. Again this is another example of how an unverse is like.

The next quote is what he said to the artificial Kingdom Hearts in KH2:

Xemnas: I will give to you (Refering to KH) as many hearts as it takes.

Xemnas: Hearts burning with rage

Xemnas: Hearts cosnumed by anger

Xemnas: Hearts scared by envy

Rage, Anger, and Envy. All of these are negative emotions and Xemnas continues to go on about these emotions.

The next quote is when Xemnas was speaking to Sora after he was beaten in the second battle with him in KH2:

Xemnas: I need more hearts...I need more rage

Sora: Xemnas, there is more to the heart than anger and hate. Don't you remember?

Xemnas: Unfortunatly, I don't.

So here it is, the big peice of evidence. Nobodies remember what it was like to have a heart so they would also remember emotion. However Xemnas said that he does'nt remember anything but anger and hate. Both of these are negative emotions and they are the same negative emotions that Terra had for MX.

I think it's pretty clear now that Young Xehanort is Terra transformed into an unverse. All Xehanort/Xemnas remembers is negative emotions and Terra said all he had left was hatred for Master Xehanort so along with physicial similarities it seems likely now that Young Xehanort is Terra transformed into an unverse and keeping his human form.

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Well glad I got that over with.

[G.SummonerBWM]

^_^ that's a great theory, but if Xehanort is terra's unverse, then how come Terra fought Sora in KH2 FM then? Terra shouldn't exist if his unverse is made.

Originally Posted by summonerbrandon

^_^ that's a great theory, but if Xehanort is terra's unverse, then how come Terra fought Sora in KH2 FM then? Terra shouldn't exist if his unverse is made.

Nomura confirmed a long time ago that the battle with Terra in KH2FM+ was not canon. That battle never really happened, it was just used so the fans would be able to get a look a what the future of KH was going to be like.

Now the dialouge Terra used before and after that battle is canon, that's official. So when Terra told sora all he had was hatred toward Xehanort, that dialouge is consider to be official. But Terra and Sora never met in KH2FM+. The battle was just for fun, the dialouge is official.

[StarKiller]

*yawns* was waiting for somone to post something about unverse but i was hoping no one would, but you do have som legit points.

Originally Posted by Soul Knight

Let's start of with Terra himself. Terra and MX have a bad relationship, that is clear. In KH2FM+ Terra in the optional battle said this:

whats the point?

So Terra only has hatred toward Xehanort, huh? If that is all he has left then would'nt that make him the same as an unverse?

Its the only hatred he has at the time.
What if Xehanort did something too Aqua or Ven?
Breaking there bond, he could hate him for no reason
and IF he was Terra's unverse, wouldn't he be made because of Terra's hatred toward someone else and not him?
Ontop of that why would its name be Xehanort?
um ontop of that im pretty sure Xehanort was a human.
An apprentice of AtW
Ontop of that, i doubt that an Unverse can have a Heartless and Nobody
ONTOP OF THAT. why does xehanort have, IF being an unverse have the form of a human .
blah this is way to simple to take apart
answer those questions and you may have a point
the most legit thing you could have said is Xehanort is MX's apprentice..I may have no commented

If unverse know nothing except for negative emtoion and Terra only knows negative emotion then they would be the same or atleast similar, right?

yea so why wouldn't that negative emotion make an unverse and not the unverse already been made and have a heartless and nobody?

Okay so here is what I think happens. Terra's hatred for Master Xehanort is so strong that he becomes an unverse. Except Terra keeps his human form so he is a human shaped unverse. The negative emotions effect his appearance causing him to have white hair, tan skin, and brown eyes.

why does he keep this form? because of why?...

Now what evidence do I have that Young Xehanort is Terra transformed into an unverse? Alot actually.

none actually

Now remember that when Ansem the wise found young Xehanort/Terra all young Xehanort could remember is the name "Xehanort". "Xehanort" is the name of the man that cause all of Terra's hatred. So if young Xehanort is Terra's unverse then it would make sense that the only thing he remembers is the name of the man he hates, Master Xehanort.

Um Terra doesn't look young. He looks in the 17-20..Maybe older, not so young,
young im thinking 4
but can't say it isn't a good point, but i think not

Notice how Xemnas said he could understand Ansem being consumed by jealousy.

Xemnas couldn't understand, he ACTED like he understood, nobodies don't have emotions..

Jealousy is a negative emotion. Xemnas did'nt understand anyother reason as to why Ansem would try to destroy him. Again this is another example of how an unverse is like.

Nobodies don't have these there for Xemnas couldn't understand..

Rage, Anger, and Envy. All of these are negative emotions and Xemnas continues to go on about these emotions.

Again all emotions, don't put Xemnas with emotions, becuase he can't feel these what so ever..

So here it is, the big peice of evidence. Nobodies remember what it was like to have a heart so they would also remember emotion.

wow..
Nobodies DO NOT have emotions, they don't remember, they don't feel emotions at all

However Xemnas said that he does'nt remember anything but anger and hate. Both of these are negative emotions and they are the same negative emotions that Terra had for MX.

No
he remembered what HE THOUGHT was anger and hate, he didn't know these emotions. Xemnas wanted his heart back so he could feel emotions..therefore you have no evidence in this part

I think it's pretty clear now that Young Xehanort is Terra transformed into an unverse. All Xehanort/Xemnas remembers is negative emotions and Terra said all he had left was hatred for Master Xehanort so along with physicial similarities it seems likely now that Young Xehanort is Terra transformed into an unverse and keeping his human form.

Xemnas didn't remember negative emotiosn, because again he can't feel them

When terra said this im pretty sure it wasn't canon unless you can show me proof it was, becuase i heard it was. and again when terra did say that, these negative emotions should have made Xehanort, and how do we know he isn't talking about MX? because Terra did call MX, just xehanort before..

btw not that many similarites, but hairstyle and eye color, and thats eye color we only saw once from terra

Originally Posted by x3pic

*yawns* was waiting for somone to post something about unverse but i was hoping no one would, but you do have som legit points.


whats the point?



Its the only hatred he has at the time.
What if Xehanort did something too Aqua or Ven?
Breaking there bond, he could hate him for no reason
and IF he was Terra's unverse, wouldn't he be made because of Terra's hatred toward someone else and not him?
Ontop of that why would its name be Xehanort?
um ontop of that im pretty sure Xehanort was a human.
An apprentice of AtW
Ontop of that, i doubt that an Unverse can have a Heartless and Nobody
ONTOP OF THAT. why does xehanort have, IF being an unverse have the form of a human .
blah this is way to simple to take apart
answer those questions and you may have a point
the most legit thing you could have said is Xehanort is MX's apprentice..I may have no commented


yea so why wouldn't that negative emotion make an unverse and not the unverse already been made and have a heartless and nobody?


why does he keep this form? because of why?...




none actually


Um Terra doesn't look young. He looks in the 17-20..Maybe older, not so young,
young im thinking 4
but can't say it isn't a good point, but i think not






Xemnas couldn't understand, he ACTED like he understood, nobodies don't have emotions..


Nobodies don't have these there for Xemnas couldn't understand..




Again all emotions, don't put Xemnas with emotions, becuase he can't feel these what so ever..




wow..
Nobodies DO NOT have emotions, they don't remember, they don't feel emotions at all

No
he remembered what HE THOUGHT was anger and hate, he didn't know these emotions. Xemnas wanted his heart back so he could feel emotions..therefore you have no evidence in this part


Xemnas didn't remember negative emotiosn, because again he can't feel them

When terra said this im pretty sure it wasn't canon unless you can show me proof it was, becuase i heard it was. and again when terra did say that, these negative emotions should have made Xehanort, and how do we know he isn't talking about MX? because Terra did call MX, just xehanort before..

btw not that many similarites, but hairstyle and eye color, and thats eye color we only saw once from terra

Wow! There are so many things wrong with this.

Look can you shorten all this so I can adress it properly because I don't have the time to go through all this and stuff.

Everything you are saying is really confusing. I don't understand some of the things you are trying to say.

Shorten this up and make it clear what you are saying and then I will gladly adress this.

[StarKiller]

Originally Posted by Soul Knight

Wow! There are so many things wrong with this.

Look can you shorten all this so I can adress it properly because I don't have the time to go through all this and stuff.

Everything you are saying is really confusing. I don't understand some of the things you are trying to say.

Shorten this up and make it clear what you are saying and then I will gladly adress this.

Yes i know there is so many things wrong with your theory, thats why i addressed them

basically your wrong, i can't shorten it because there are so many errors in your theory its ridiculous
but ill point out the MAIN things

You say terra says something abou Xehanort right?

Well Terra calls MX, Xehanort, he doesn't call him MX, he calls him Xehanort
so how do you know Terra is talking about Apprentice Xehanort, Im thinking he is talking about MX
and i can put up a stronger argument then that.

You say Xemnas can feel emotion?

He can't he just acts like he can. That is one of the main traits of a nobody, so whatever you said about Xemnas is basically wrong.

Unverse part.

I don't think Xehanort is an unverse, reasons:

1) why does he have human form?

2) Terra isn't young he is 17-20, im thinkin AtW found a child

3) Im sure its impossible for an unverse to have a Nobody and Heartless

there are many other reasons but these are the main points

Also

You are saying, Terra is an unverse, because he hates Xehanort?

then you say that Xehanort is terra?

So why would he hate himself?

maybe your Theory is confusing..

Also.

If Terra were an Unverse, and he said he hated Xehanort, he seems pretty happy in some of the trailers ive seen, so he couldn't really be an unverse at that time.

Basically your contradicting youself a little

[Answer Man]

HEY HEY HEY how would a unverse have a heartless and nobody? plus i think maybe the atw apprentice dude is just terra i mean he looks just like him right? without the colors terra has, and he remember xehanort right, maybe cause he became a unverse then or he just nearly got took-en by darkness and somehow MX was able to go inside of his heart, but it didn't work and he got trapped but not without trying to change terra into himself, casue MX has a white beard(this is the worst analogy) so maybe that's why atws apprentice has white hair and same color eyes as MX, cause MX nearly changed terra that's why he remembered his name, cause the first thing you get when your made is your name. so what about it?

Originally Posted by x3pic

Yes i know there is so many things wrong with your theory, thats why i addressed them

basically your wrong, i can't shorten it because there are so many errors in your theory its ridiculous
but ill point out the MAIN things

I meant there was many things wrong with your first post, I could'nt understand anything you were saying.

You say terra says something abou Xehanort right?

Well Terra calls MX, Xehanort, he doesn't call him MX, he calls him Xehanort
so how do you know Terra is talking about Apprentice Xehanort, Im thinking he is talking about MX
and i can put up a stronger argument then that.

Okay first of all I never said that Terra mentioned anything about the young Xehanort.

Whenever I said that Terra said something about Xehanort I assumed you knew I was talking about MX.

Common sense would tell you that, Duh!

I never said that Terra was saying he had hatred toward the young xehanort. I said he had hatred toward MX.

So you were confused there.

You say Xemnas can feel emotion?

No I did'nt. I said he remembers what it was like to have a heart and if he remembers what it was like to have a heart then he must remember what it was like to have emotion.

He can't he just acts like he can. That is one of the main traits of a nobody, so whatever you said about Xemnas is basically wrong.

Yeah and Xemnas uses his memories of when he had a heart in order to pretend like he has emotions

Unverse part.

I don't think Xehanort is an unverse, reasons:

1) why does he have human form?

2) Terra isn't young he is 17-20, im thinkin AtW found a child

3) Im sure its impossible for an unverse to have a Nobody and Heartless

there are many other reasons but these are the main points

1. Because unverse may still be whole beings in the sense they still have a body, heart, and soul. So Terra being a keyblade weilder may have been strong enough to keep a human form even as an unverse.

2. WTF? You don't think 17-20 is young? To me 17-20 is young. Ansem never said he found a child. He said he found a young man. A child is not a young man. A young man is anywhere from being a teenager to like 25 years old.

3. Not if unverse have a body, soul, and heart. I mean who said there was any seperation of the body, soul, and heart when an unverse is made?

Also

You are saying, Terra is an unverse, because he hates Xehanort?

then you say that Xehanort is terra?

So why would he hate himself?

maybe your Theory is confusing..

I am saying that Terra hates Master Xehanort.

This hatred causes Terra to become an unverse and when he becomes an unverse the only thing he remembers is the name "Xehanort" which is MX's name. Since MX is the man that Terra hates it would make sense that he remembered the name of the man he hates which is "Xehanort"

Then when Terra/Young Xehanort/Terra's unverse was found by Ansem the wise the only thing Terra/Young Xehanort/Terra's unverse remembered was the name Xehanort so he assumed that was his name and Terra/Young Xehanort/Terra's unverse started to call himself "Xehanort"

Also.

If Terra were an Unverse, and he said he hated Xehanort, he seems pretty happy in some of the trailers ive seen, so he couldn't really be an unverse at that time.

I never said that he was an unverse all through out BBS. I meant Terra becomes an unverse at the end of BBS. Remember when his eyes turned yellow in the secret trailer of KH2FM+ that showed a that battle between TAV and MX and his apprentince that was confirmed to take place near the end of BBS? That's when I think Terra becomes an unverse.

Which means he was'nt an unverse before that.
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You were confused and you misunderstood what I said and what I meant. I'm sorry you were confused and you did'nt have to act like a smart ass.

Now I hope I made it clear exactly what I meant. I figured you had enough common sense to understand what I meant. If it was confusing then i'm sorry but I hope it is clear now.

Odd though how summonerbrandon understood what I was saying and you did'nt.

Now I hope I made it clear.

[StarKiller]

Okay now i finally grasped you theory, and for the sake of argument, i read this in class so i rushed through it, ontop of that wasn't being a smart ass, you theory is okay, but has holes.

Like why would terra turn into an unbirth wouldn't he make one?

[Desert Warrior]

Just to point out, the battle in KH2: FM+ isn't against Terra (Unless Nomura has actually said that the boss is Terra).

Originally Posted by x3pic

I don't think Xehanort is an unverse, reasons:

1) why does he have human form?

2) Terra isn't young he is 17-20, im thinkin AtW found a child

3) Im sure its impossible for an unverse to have a Nobody and Heartless

1) Maybe if he's a strong enough Unverse, he could look human. After all, the strongest of Nobodies look human.

2) 17-20 is considered the age of being a Young Adult. And in that memory scene of Mickey's, where he's talking to AtW, and Young Xehanort comes in, you said that it takes place approx. 1 year after BBS. So AtW couldn't have found Young Xehanort as a child unless AtW found Young Xehanort years before BBS. But I seriously doubt anybody here thinks that.

3) We don't know enough about Unverses. So (since their traits are still truly unknown), it can go either way. It's still a possibility for Unverses to have Nobodies and Heartlesses, if it is a strong enough Unverse.

That's my comment for now.